5.08 Charles Lyons, Jordan Howe, Trent Hunter, & David Schrock • Interview • “Protestors are Coming to Your Church Are You Ready? Twenty-Five Action Steps Before the Day Comes”
Episode 206
58 Min
February 4, 2026
ABOUT THE EPISODE
Listen in as David Schrock & Trent Hunter interview Charles Lyons and Jordan Howe on their respective articles for Christ Over All and Center for Baptist Leadership
Timestamps
00:25 – Intro
03:43 – The incident at Cities Church Hits Close to Home
06:08 – How David Met Charles Lyons
08:00 – Charles Lyons’ Story
22:32 – Having a Plan in Place
26:23 – Distinguishing Between Different Incidents & What to Do
28:48 – How to Onboard Well for a Safety Team
33:08 – What Did It Look Like for the Ushers to Remove Disruptors?
37:32 – What Should Be Said to Them? What Type of Force is Righteous in that Situation?
41:54 – The Value of Having Song and Other Strategies to Have in Mind
45:50 – The Mind of the Pastor in the Moment to Act
49:00 – Closing Thoughts & Ending on a Note of Song