5.32 A.S. Ibrahim, David Schrock, & Stephen Wellum • Interview • “Inside the Muslim Mind: Seven Pillars of the Islamic Worldview”

Episode 229
71 Min
June 15, 2026
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Listen in as David Schrock and Stephen Wellum interview A.S. Ibrahim on his COA Longform Essay, "Inside the Muslim Mind: Seven Pillars of the Islamic Worldview"
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This month, we’re talking about how Christians engage with Islam, a conversation Southern Seminary has taken seriously for a long time. As President Al Mohler has put it, you can’t prepare a minister for today’s world without reckoning with Islam. That conviction is why Southern now offers a PhD in Islamic Studies, and why it’s home to the Jenkins Center, a team devoted to helping pastors, missionaries, and everyday believers reach their Muslim neighbors with the gospel. To find resources and learn more about degrees, visit sbts.edu/islamicstudies. And be sure to listen to our interview with Dr Ayman Ibrahim, who is the head of the Jenkins Center.

Timestamps
  • 03:08 – Abraham Ibrahim: His Journey to Studying Islam
  • 09:24 – Exploring Ayman’s Books and Islam’s Core Foundations
  • 19:14 – Unpacking Islam’s Submission and Quranic Textual Dynamics
  • 29:02 – The Conflict Between Sharia and Western Freedoms
  • 43:12 – Understanding the Ummah and Islam’s Public Advancement
  • 56:50 – Contrasting Allah with God and Islam’s Uncertain Salvation
  • 1:04:50 – How to Study and Engage Muslims with the Gospel
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Authors

  • A. S. Ibrahim holds two PhDs with an emphasis on Islam and its history. He is a professor of Islamic studies and director of the Jenkins Center for the Christian Understanding of Islam at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is the author of A Concise Guide to the Life of Muhammad (Baker Academic, 2022), Conversion to Islam (Oxford University Press, 2021), Basics of Arabic (Zondervan 2021), A Concise Guide to the Quran (Baker Academic, 2020), and The Stated Motivations for the Early Islamic Expansion (Peter Lang, 2018), among others. He is a member of Clifton Baptist Church in Louisville, KY.

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  • David Schrock is the pastor for preaching and theology at Occoquan Bible Church in Woodbridge, Virginia. David is a two-time graduate of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is a founding faculty member and professor of theology at Indianapolis Theology Seminary. And he is the author of Royal Priesthood and Glory of God along with many journal articles and online essays.

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  • Stephen Wellum is professor of Christian theology at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. He received his MDiv and PhD from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. He is the author of numerous essays, articles, and books. He is also the co-author with Peter Gentry of Kingdom through Covenant, 2nd edition (Crossway, 2012, 2018) and the author of God the Son Incarnate: The Doctrine of the Person of Christ (Crossway, 2016) and Systematic Theology, Volume 1: From Canon to Concept (B&H Academic, 2024).

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