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5.02 David Closson, David Schrock & Stephen Wellum • Interview • “A Case for Abortion Incrementalism”
Episode 200
66 Min
January 12, 2026
ABOUT THE EPISODE
Listen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview David Closson on his COA Longform Essay "A Case for Abortion Incrementalism"
Timestamps
00:30 – Intro
04:30 – How Did David Closson Become Impassioned about the Issue of Abortion?
06:40 – What Should People Take Away from David Closson’s Book?
09:00 – What Did Francis Schaeffer Argue For? Why Was No One Else Arguing Against Abortion?
12:36 – Anything to Be Encouraged or Discouraged By in Recent Years?
16:53 – The Differences Between Abolitionism and Incrementalism
19:00 – Is There a Way These Movements Can Work Together?
22:50 – Bill HR3755 and Abolitionists
25:50 – Are Incremental Bills More Effective?
27:47 – Is It Necessary for Pro-Life Advocates to Oppose Abolitionist Bills?
30:20 – Are Pro-Life Advocates Against Equal Protection Under the Law?
33:00 – The Different Roles of the Three Branches of Government
37:11 – Different Strategies Available to Us
40:20 – The Need for Cultural Renewal
45:05 – Has There Been Any Movement Towards an Abolitionist Bill in Texas?
48:38 – What Would Be Effective Against Chemical Abortions?
51:28 – An Area Where Abolitionists & Incrementalists Could Unite
52:35 – Are Pastors Being Trained on the Doctrine of Humanity?
55:43 – Are There Particular Places in Culture Where Christians Should Be Involved?
1:00:00 – The Responsibility Our Churches Have Toward This Issue
1:02:05 – Final Thoughts & David Closson’s Prayer
1:04:36 – Outro
Resources to Click
“A Case for Abortion Incrementallism”
– David Closson
“Abortion in America After the Fall of Roe: Important Advances and Remaining Challenges”
– David Closson
“We are Abolitionists”
– Free the States
“Immediate, Not Gradual Abolition of Abortion”
– James Silberman
“Abolitionist Perspective on the Texas Heartbeat Bill: Three Quick Observations”
– James Silberman
Abolition vs Incrementalism: A Panel Discussion
– The Danbury Institute
“A National Survey of Churchgoing Americans: Social Issues and Worldview”
– Center for Biblical Worldview
“Planned Parenthood closes Rolla, MO facility, will continue telehealth”
– Nancy Flanders
“Planned Parenthood closes 20 clinics after Medicaid cuts, warns of grim future”
– Praveena Somasundaram
“Two New Studies Provide Broadest Evidence to Date of Unequal Impacts of Abortion Bans”
– Blomberg School
“How Many Abortions are Occurring in America Post-Dobbs?”
– Mia Steupert
Theme of the Month:
Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for Life
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Books to Read
Life After Roe: Equipping Christians in the Fight for Life Today
– David Closson
ON THIS EPISODE
David Closson
David Closson
,
David Schrock
,
Stephen Wellum
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