5.02 David Closson, David Schrock & Stephen Wellum • Interview • “A Case for Abortion Incrementalism”

Episode 200
66 Min
January 12, 2026
ABOUT THE EPISODE
Listen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview David Closson on his COA Longform Essay "A Case for Abortion Incrementalism"
Timestamps
  • 00:30 – Intro
  • 04:30 – How Did David Closson Become Impassioned about the Issue of Abortion?
  • 06:40 – What Should People Take Away from David Closson’s Book?
  • 09:00 – What Did Francis Schaeffer Argue For? Why Was No One Else Arguing Against Abortion?
  • 12:36 – Anything to Be Encouraged or Discouraged By in Recent Years?
  • 16:53 – The Differences Between Abolitionism and Incrementalism
  • 19:00 – Is There a Way These Movements Can Work Together?
  • 22:50 – Bill HR3755 and Abolitionists
  • 25:50 – Are Incremental Bills More Effective?
  • 27:47 – Is It Necessary for Pro-Life Advocates to Oppose Abolitionist Bills?
  • 30:20 – Are Pro-Life Advocates Against Equal Protection Under the Law?
  • 33:00 – The Different Roles of the Three Branches of Government
  • 37:11 – Different Strategies Available to Us
  • 40:20 – The Need for Cultural Renewal
  • 45:05 – Has There Been Any Movement Towards an Abolitionist Bill in Texas?
  • 48:38 – What Would Be Effective Against Chemical Abortions?
  • 51:28 – An Area Where Abolitionists & Incrementalists Could Unite
  • 52:35 – Are Pastors Being Trained on the Doctrine of Humanity?
  • 55:43 – Are There Particular Places in Culture Where Christians Should Be Involved?
  • 1:00:00 – The Responsibility Our Churches Have Toward This Issue
  • 1:02:05 – Final Thoughts & David Closson’s Prayer
  • 1:04:36 – Outro
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