4.44 Trent Hunter, Stephen Wellum, & David Schrock • Interview • “Working As Unto the Lord: Seven Ways to Work Harder and Be Better”

Episode 184
59 Min
September 29, 2025
ABOUT THE EPISODE
Listen in as Trent Hunter and Stephen Wellum interview David Schrock on his essay, "Working As Unto the Lord: Seven Ways to Work Harder and Be Better".
Timestamps
  • 00:46 – Intro
  • 02:12 – Where Did David’s Article Come From?
  • 03:20 – Dr. Wellum’s Job History
  • 05:50 – David Schrock’s Job History
  • 07:10 – When Did the True Significance of Work Break In?
  • 10:24 – Beginning with Good Works in Ephesians 2?
  • 12:22 – Placing Ephesians House Codes in Context
  • 13:58 – Christ is the Ultimate Motivation
  • 15:28 – How Do We Relate Our Other Motivations to Christ?
  • 18:41 – How Do You Cultivate a Work Ethic in Our Kids?
  • 22:35 – Christ As Our Supervisor and Our Earthly Supervisors
  • 26:45 – Serving in the Military
  • 28:26 – COA Birthday Ad
  • 28:56 – Christ Our Sanctifier
  • 31:16 – The False Secular-Sacred Divide
  • 32:58 – Pastors Applying Truth So Their Congregants’ Vocations
  • 37:10 – Pastoring Challenges of Different People’s Vocations
  • 41:41 – Christ Is Our Hiring Manager
  • 43:30 – Entrusting Christ’s Sovereign Rule
  • 46:37 – Christ Is Our Example
  • 50:00 – Christ Is Our Evaluator
  • 54:15 – Closing Thoughts
  • 56:48 – Outro
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Authors

  • Trent Hunter is the pastor for preaching and teaching at Heritage Bible Church in Greer, South Carolina. Trent is a graduate of Moody Bible Institute and The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is the author of Graphical Greek, an electronic reference guide for biblical Greek, Joshua in Crossway's Knowing the Bible series, and is co-author of Christ from Beginning to End: How the Full Story of Scripture Reveals the Full Glory of Christ. Trent is an Instructor for the Charles Simeon Trust Workshops on Biblical Exposition.

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  • Stephen Wellum is professor of Christian theology at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. He received his MDiv and PhD from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. He is the author of numerous essays, articles, and books. He is also the co-author with Peter Gentry of Kingdom through Covenant, 2nd edition (Crossway, 2012, 2018) and the author of God the Son Incarnate: The Doctrine of the Person of Christ (Crossway, 2016) and Systematic Theology, Volume 1: From Canon to Concept (B&H Academic, 2024).

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  • David Schrock is the pastor for preaching and theology at Occoquan Bible Church in Woodbridge, Virginia. David is a two-time graduate of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is a founding faculty member and professor of theology at Indianapolis Theology Seminary. And he is the author of Royal Priesthood and Glory of God along with many journal articles and online essays.

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