4.57 Levi Secord, David Schrock, & Stephen Wellum • Interview • “Law is King: How the Bible Shapes Our View of Law & Civil Government”
Episode 197
59 Min
December 15, 2025
ABOUT THE EPISODE
Listen in as David Schrock and Stephen Wellum interview Levi Secord on his COA Longform Essay: "Law is King: How the BIble Shapes Our View of Law & Civil Government"
Timestamps
00:30 – Intro
03:38 – The Background Behind Servant Not Savior
05:11 – What are Some Things that Need to be On Our Radar as We Discuss This Subject?
08:15 – Walking Us Through the History from the King to the Law
10:27 – The Place of Natural Law
13:15 – Where in the Bible Do We Encounter Rutherford’s Ideas?
15:49 – Nations Making Covenants
21:00 – What is the Responsibility of Christians to Remind the Government of Their Role Before God?
22:57 – Who’s Role is it to Preach Before the Government?
29:00 – Political Theology is not Just from the Old Testament
31:32 – How Should We Read the OT Law to the King and Apply It Today?
36:50 – How Does Progressive Covenantalism Apply the Law?
40:22 – The Principle of General Equity
42:03 – What Can Nations Learn from Israel? From the Church?
47:20 – Good Government is the Exception to the Rule
51:25 – The Case for Bringing the Bible to the Public Square
54:50 – Natural Law is Not Devoid of Special Revelation
Levi Secord is the founding pastor of Christ Bible Church in St. Paul, MN. He earned a Masters of Divinity (2013) and a Doctorate of Educational Ministry (2022) from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Levi hosts a podcast on the Christian Worldview and has numerous publications including his book, Servant Not Savior: An Introduction to the Bible’s Teaching About Civil Government. Levi and his family live in the St. Paul area.
David Schrock is the pastor for preaching and theology at Occoquan Bible Church in Woodbridge, Virginia. David is a two-time graduate of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is a founding faculty member and professor of theology at Indianapolis Theology Seminary. And he is the author of Royal Priesthood and Glory of God along with many journal articles and online essays.
