5.08 Charles Lyons, Jordan Howe, Trent Hunter, & David Schrock • Interview • “Protestors are Coming to Your Church Are You Ready? Twenty-Five Action Steps Before the Day Comes”

Episode 206

58 Min

February 4, 2026

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Listen in as David Schrock & Trent Hunter interview Charles Lyons and Jordan Howe on their respective articles for Christ Over All and Center for Baptist Leadership

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00:25 – Intro
03:43 – The incident at Cities Church Hits Close to Home
06:08 – How David Met Charles Lyons
08:00 – Charles Lyons’ Story
22:32 – Having a Plan in Place
26:23 – Distinguishing Between Different Incidents & What to Do
28:48 – How to Onboard Well for a Safety Team
33:08 – What Did It Look Like for the Ushers to Remove Disruptors?
37:32 – What Should Be Said to Them? What Type of Force is Righteous in that Situation?
41:54 – The Value of Having Song and Other Strategies to Have in Mind
45:50 – The Mind of the Pastor in the Moment to Act
49:00 – Closing Thoughts & Ending on a Note of Song
54:10 – Closing Prayer from Trent
55:58 – Outro

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“Protestors are Coming to Your Church Are You Ready? Twenty-Five Action Steps Before the Day Comes” – Charles Lyons
“When Worship is Attacked, Churches Must Be Prepared to Restore Order” – Jordan Howe
Kingdom Defense Ministries
City Hope International
Theme of the Month: The God Who is There: Contemplating the Doctrine of God
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David Schrock

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David Schrock

David Schrock is the pastor for preaching and theology at Occoquan Bible Church in Woodbridge, Virginia. David is a two-time graduate of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is a founding faculty member and professor of theology at Indianapolis Theology Seminary. And he is the author of Royal Priesthood and Glory of God along with many journal articles and online essays.
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Trent Hunter

Trent Hunter is the pastor for preaching and teaching at Heritage Bible Church in Greer, South Carolina. Trent is a graduate of Moody Bible Institute and The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is the author of Graphical Greek, an electronic reference guide for biblical Greek, Joshua in Crossway's Knowing the Bible series, and is co-author of Christ from Beginning to End: How the Full Story of Scripture Reveals the Full Glory of Christ. Trent is an Instructor for the Charles Simeon Trust Workshops on Biblical Exposition.
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Charles Lyons

Charles Lyons and his wife Georgia have been married fifty years, with five adult children and five grandchildren. Charles served as pastor of Armitage Baptist Church Chicago from 1974 to 2019, shepherding the same multicultural congregation for forty-five years. In 2020 Charles and Georgia founded City Hope International to multiply followers of Jesus in cities by discipling next generation leaders. As part of this work, Charles oversees a weekly outreach at Uptown Baptist Church, Chicago, which includes a service in which he preaches, a meal, and a discipleship class. He and Georgia are part of Hope Church Chicago, a church plant in the heart of the city.

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5.08 Charles Lyons, Jordan Howe, Trent Hunter, & David Schrock • Interview • “Protestors are Coming to Your Church Are You Ready? Twenty-Five Action Steps Before the Day Comes”

Episode 206

58 Min

February 4, 2026

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