5.52 Levi Secord, James Baird, & David Schrock • Interview • Is Big Government Christian?: A Review of James Baird’s King of Kings/Too Small to Succeed: A Review and Response to Levi Secord’s Servant Not Savior

Episode 249

97 Min

October 12, 2026

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Join David Schrock, Levi Secord, & James Baird for this lively discussion and debate on their two respective books dealing with matters of church and state

Resources to Click

“Too Small to Succeed: A Review and Response to Levi Secord’s Servant Not Savior” – James Baird
“Is Big Government Christian? A Review of James Baird’s King of Kings” – Levi Secord
“Everson Must Fall” – Timon Cline, Josh Hammer & Yoram Hazony
“Blasphemy and the Original Meaning of The First Amendment” – Harvard Law Review
“King of Kings: A Reformed Guide to Christian Government” – Conversations That Matter Podcast
“Post-War Consensus & Strong Gods, Kevin DeYoung w/ James Baird” – Grace at the Gates Podcast
“6 Questions for Christian Nationalists” – Kevin DeYoung
Theme of the Month: Pastors (Should We) Be Political
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Books to Read

King of Kings: A Reformed Guide to Christian Government – James Baird
Servant Not Savior: An Introduction to the Bible’s Teaching about Civil Government – Levi Secord
Reforming the Law of Nature: The Secularization of Political Thought, 1532-1689 – Simon P. Kennedy
Did America Have a Christian Founding? Separating Modern Myth from Historical Truth – Mark David Hall
Disestablishment and Religious Dissent: Church-State Relations in the New American States, 1776-1833 – Carl H. Esbeck and Jonathan J. Den Hartog
Religion and Republic: Christian America from the Founding to the Civil War – Miles Smith

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Levi Secord

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Levi Secord

Levi Secord is the founding pastor of Christ Bible Church in St. Paul, MN. He earned a Masters of Divinity (2013) and a Doctorate of Educational Ministry (2022) from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Levi hosts a podcast on the Christian Worldview and has numerous publications including his book, Servant Not Savior: An Introduction to the Bible’s Teaching About Civil Government. Levi and his family live in the St. Paul area.
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James Baird

Reverend James Baird is Pastor of Christian Education at Covenant Church of Naples (PCA). He is a graduate of Covenant College, Westminster Theological Seminary, and Union School of Theology. He previously served at Westminster Theological Seminary and Ligonier Ministries. He and his wife Georgia live in Naples, Florida with their three sons. James is the author of King of Kings: A Reformed Guide to Christian Government.

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David Schrock

David Schrock is the pastor for preaching and theology at Occoquan Bible Church in Woodbridge, Virginia. David is a two-time graduate of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is a founding faculty member and professor of theology at Indianapolis Theology Seminary. And he is the author of Royal Priesthood and Glory of God along with many journal articles and online essays.
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5.52 Levi Secord, James Baird, & David Schrock • Interview • Is Big Government Christian?: A Review of James Baird’s King of Kings/Too Small to Succeed: A Review and Response to Levi Secord’s Servant Not Savior

Episode 249

97 Min

October 12, 2026

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Pastors, (Should We) Be Political?

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